ThisNameIsMine86: a pertentious jack ass
ThisNameIsMine86: there I got to finish
ThisNameIsMine86: pretentious
ThisNameIsMine86: mis spelled it
ThisNameIsMine86: whooo
Afext: lol
Afext: uhm
ThisNameIsMine86: now why did you go and block me?
Afext: My system crashed
ThisNameIsMine86: ahhh
ThisNameIsMine86: right
Afext: I didnt see anything you said after I said "one second" or whatever it was
ThisNameIsMine86: I said
ThisNameIsMine86: the reason will hates you is ebcause
ThisNameIsMine86: he needs someone to hate, to insult,
Afext: You've told me that already
ThisNameIsMine86: someone he can use to boost himself
ThisNameIsMine86: right
ThisNameIsMine86: and the last part of what I said
ThisNameIsMine86: is that you make an easy target, I was his last target if you remember
Afext: oh yeah you were
ThisNameIsMine86: and so I still won't talk to him for more than a few seconds
Afext: He wanted us all to hate you
ThisNameIsMine86: you make an easy target
ThisNameIsMine86: I know he did
ThisNameIsMine86: now he wants everyone to hate you
Afext: And I attack him back so I add even more fuel to the fire
ThisNameIsMine86: it is a gaame he plays
Afext: But, not everyone hates me, then?
ThisNameIsMine86: no
ThisNameIsMine86: they all think you are a little fucked
Afext: So I'm still cool with geoff and monique?
ThisNameIsMine86: but they don't hate you
Afext: Hmm well we all thought you were a little fucked, so I suppose thats ok
ThisNameIsMine86: although will is making some persausive arguements
Afext: lol, like what?
ThisNameIsMine86: I am a little fucked
Afext: Well, I am a little fucked, too
ThisNameIsMine86: I realize I am a little fucked
ThisNameIsMine86: yeah
ThisNameIsMine86: well that is why
ThisNameIsMine86: because you can appear at times to be a very narrow pretentious jack ass
Afext: That is why I got myself help, and that's what I'm doing
ThisNameIsMine86: now brad I know you;re not
ThisNameIsMine86: but
ThisNameIsMine86: well see that is part of it
ThisNameIsMine86: you keep saying you did something about your problems
ThisNameIsMine86: and to everyone else
ThisNameIsMine86: it looks like you ran away instead of facing them
Afext: http://www.electricbiscuit.com/aim/pyscheval.htm go down half way for the stuff.
Afext: Yeah well everyone else doesn't know what is required to fix issues
ThisNameIsMine86: now I don't know the full psychoanaylitical
ThisNameIsMine86: issues behind your move to home school
ThisNameIsMine86: but
ThisNameIsMine86: it does seem like
Afext: You don't throw a chronic depressive into a room full of happy smiley people... You throw them in an asylum so they have some time out.
ThisNameIsMine86: yes
ThisNameIsMine86: but our culture genrealy views depressives
ThisNameIsMine86: and pussys
ThisNameIsMine86: I mean
Afext: I have a generalized anxiety disorder.. my therapist is incorrectly diagnosing me as having a social phobia but that would be if my panic attacks were real, which they were, but they arent an actual problem...
Afext: Yeah I know
ThisNameIsMine86: depressives as pussys
ThisNameIsMine86: you want to know honestly
ThisNameIsMine86: I think psychology is mostly a lot of bull
ThisNameIsMine86: and maybe I am an insecure
Afext: Our culture thinks that the true way to do anything is to "face your fear," because of movies and books and shit like that... but that all deals with something that exists outside your own mind.
ThisNameIsMine86: insensitive
ThisNameIsMine86: ignorant jack ass for thinking that
ThisNameIsMine86: but I do
ThisNameIsMine86: I think you are one step short but I maybe be wrong
ThisNameIsMine86: I don't think the problem is face you fear
ThisNameIsMine86: and the stuff in movie
ThisNameIsMine86: s
ThisNameIsMine86: I think the problem is teh emphisis on freewill
ThisNameIsMine86: and teh idea that the mind is easily controled
ThisNameIsMine86: by the ego
Afext: Thats what's weird about me is that I believe in pyschology, while I am very idealistic and have found that I have way too many spirtual beliefs...
Afext: But, perhaps I'm totally off... self-analysis is never accurate... I could be making myself out to be something I'm not.
Afext: But I try not to
ThisNameIsMine86: did you and this chick
ThisNameIsMine86: happen to talk about me?
Afext: No
Afext: Because I honestly dont know you well at all
ThisNameIsMine86: hmmmm
ThisNameIsMine86: how sad I am such a great guy to know
Afext: I mean, I don't know you closely and personally to where I can say how you act
ThisNameIsMine86: I am an neurotic
ThisNameIsMine86: highly neurotic
ThisNameIsMine86: often near suicidel
Afext: You're too busy spouting off your vast collection of knowledge to be anyone, to me anyway.
Afext: Neurotic is a pretty generalized, wide-scope word you know.
ThisNameIsMine86: very often depressed
ThisNameIsMine86: I know it is
Afext: Aren't we all
ThisNameIsMine86: and very often elated
ThisNameIsMine86: hugly elated
ThisNameIsMine86: happy to be alive
ThisNameIsMine86: wonderful
ThisNameIsMine86: extreamly confident overly confident
ThisNameIsMine86: you've probalby noticed that a little
ThisNameIsMine86: then I get depressed and i feel the oppisite
ThisNameIsMine86: I hate my mom
ThisNameIsMine86: hate my life
Afext: Sometimes I feel like I am the only person in this fucking city who has two feet on the ground and knows what I'm doing and why, and how it's going to get me to where I want to go... lol
ThisNameIsMine86: and don't have an honest interest in anything
ThisNameIsMine86: and don't honestly caer about anything
ThisNameIsMine86: and really ahve no idea what to do in life
ThisNameIsMine86: I am a horribly fucked up
ThisNameIsMine86: I love this city
ThisNameIsMine86: though
Afext: Ugh how can you love this city?
ThisNameIsMine86: it is so
ThisNameIsMine86: horrible
ThisNameIsMine86: that I love it
Afext: You're fucked.
ThisNameIsMine86: it is so wonderfuly complex and self destrucking
ThisNameIsMine86 signed on at 10:30:51 PM.
ThisNameIsMine86: and amazing and huge
Afext: If you say so.
ThisNameIsMine86: and poetic in all its grotesque atrocity and
ThisNameIsMine86: iniqiutiy
ThisNameIsMine86: oh it is wonderful
ThisNameIsMine86: you did talk about me
ThisNameIsMine86: but just for a sentance
ThisNameIsMine86: if you hate LA then where do you want to live?
Afext: Well, the only place that I really have aspirations for is Juneau, Alaska.
ThisNameIsMine86: ?
ThisNameIsMine86: why
Afext: Otherwise, anywhere Sara wants to go is fine with me. Which will probably be Ohio. *sigh*
ThisNameIsMine86: why alaska?
Afext: Because it's beautiful up there.
ThisNameIsMine86: you ever seen the show northern exposoure
Afext: And homely, and nice. It's just a wonderful place.
ThisNameIsMine86: it is beautiful downhere to
ThisNameIsMine86: just in a very different way
Afext: It's beautiful down here if you like brown skies and concrete jungles.
ThisNameIsMine86: have you ever seen the show northern exposoure
Afext: No
ThisNameIsMine86: I do
ThisNameIsMine86: they are poetic in their atrocity remeber
ThisNameIsMine86: but you have a point
ThisNameIsMine86: the city makes me sick
ThisNameIsMine86: and that is part of the reason I love it
Afext: I love a movie that is based in Juneau that is supposedly very much like northern exposure
ThisNameIsMine86: it is an interesting show
ThisNameIsMine86: kind of yupie ish
ThisNameIsMine86: but some episodes are really interesting poetic and deep
ThisNameIsMine86: why do you think our culture is so fucked?
ThisNameIsMine86: why is it that everyother person
ThisNameIsMine86: or actualy mroe than that probalby
ThisNameIsMine86: is neurotic
Afext: I dont think our culture is fucked
ThisNameIsMine86: whereas some fucking south american rain forest tribesmen
ThisNameIsMine86: is happy as anything
Afext: The funny thing is that I love people, but everyone here is shit...
ThisNameIsMine86: you don't think our culture is fucked
ThisNameIsMine86: then how could you possible have liked the moive fight club
Afext: This city is fucked and everyone who lives here. The majority of southern california is fucked
ThisNameIsMine86: So Cal people are still people
Afext: On a whole everyone is fucked but when you pull out individuals and get to know them, there is a lot of good in this world.
ThisNameIsMine86: yeah
ThisNameIsMine86: but define good
ThisNameIsMine86: I personlay dont belive in good or evil or sin
ThisNameIsMine86: or god
ThisNameIsMine86: which makes me by definition evil
Afext: True individuals are beautiful, but when you smush it all together is just so messed up, I want to move to Juneau because there won't be a smushed whole.
ThisNameIsMine86: is will beautiful?
Afext: If he's not a dipshit he can be...
Afext: There are some people who never reveal themselves to be individuals.
ThisNameIsMine86: what do you define to be an individual
Afext: To me, a shining example is Matt who has probably never revealed any of is real thoughts ever in the history of the years I've known him.
ThisNameIsMine86: matt lopez?
Afext: Someone who has their own thoughts and can demonstrate the fact that they have grown up on their own and have developed their own opinions and personality against the pushing and shoving of others.. Or, more simply... people who can open up and be honest about something.
Afext: Yeah, Matt Lopez.
ThisNameIsMine86: hmmm but that is no one
ThisNameIsMine86: not even you
ThisNameIsMine86: not even me
Afext: No it's not... It's mostly everyone
Afext: You dont understand then
ThisNameIsMine86: everyone is a pruduct of culture
ThisNameIsMine86: of family
Afext: No you're taking it to far
ThisNameIsMine86: and you do?
Afext: too far
Afext: No, I said you don't understand what I said.
ThisNameIsMine86: everyone is and individual to some extant
Afext: I understand my own opinion, of course. Heh...
ThisNameIsMine86: but at some level
Afext: You are too outward right now when we are not being outward.
ThisNameIsMine86: we are all a pruduct of cutlrue
ThisNameIsMine86: what do you mean then?
Afext: This is my perspective and how I know people. Not some general consensus based on blah blah... This is how people reveal themselves to me, this is what we're talking about when I say the individual is beautiful...
ThisNameIsMine86: what?]
Afext: That's what we were discussing, not scientific statistics and definitions of words.
Afext: Okay, here, let me give two examples
ThisNameIsMine86: well then explain I am a moron
ThisNameIsMine86: ?
Afext: Paul is an "individual" to me. We talk a lot, and we discuss about how some music sucks in a narrow minded fashion, we discuss what we do when we're depressed, when we feel shitty, how some pyscho chick is stalking him. He works at Wal-Mart and hates the job but Wal-Mart needs employees so desperately they let him be a fuckwit.
ThisNameIsMine86: i love matches
ThisNameIsMine86: k give another example
Afext: Matt, on the other hand, is not. He has never actually demonstrated any form of thinking on his own. Everyone opinion he has ever showed has been the direct result of what someone said 2 seconds before. He is brainwashed and seems unable to form his own thoughts on anything. He contradicts himself and is overly balatant about it in such a way that it makes me sick at times, and has such a stuck up mentality that appears to be hidden under his love for Three Stooges to outside sources.
Afext: Matt is probably the biggest "conformist" I've ever met in my entire life.
ThisNameIsMine86: brad everyone is a conformist
ThisNameIsMine86: and that is what I have been trying to say
Afext: (Which is funny because Will is so against conformity but doesnt realize how much of a "conformist" he is.)
Afext: No shit, I know that.
Afext: I'm not moronic.
ThisNameIsMine86: everyone is huge conformist
Afext: But matt is different
ThisNameIsMine86: I know you know
ThisNameIsMine86: sure
Afext: Let me demonstrate...
ThisNameIsMine86: it the degree of his conformity
Afext: Yeah his degree of conformity extended beyond the materialistic, and even slightly mental areas...
ThisNameIsMine86: or more acuratly in the fact that that which he conforms to is conformed to by many more peopl
Afext: His conformity digs back into his entire mind, it's fucking sick at times.
ThisNameIsMine86: I think you got it backward
Afext: No, I have NEVER met anyone who is as fucked conform wise as matt is
ThisNameIsMine86: at the front we may not be confomists
ThisNameIsMine86: but in the back we are all
ThisNameIsMine86: see
Afext: I think you seriously need to shut up, lol, you take everything to far
ThisNameIsMine86: soem people are much better
ThisNameIsMine86: and do much more
ThisNameIsMine86: what is the word
Afext: You take it past the topic at hand and take it way too far
ThisNameIsMine86: you really want me to shut up I will
Afext: Lets take turns, me and my friend did it once, I suppose we'll be good at it
Afext: Let me form my arguement
ThisNameIsMine86: take turns at what talking or shuting up
Afext: Both
Afext: lol
ThisNameIsMine86: a subtle distinction
Afext: Let me start...
ThisNameIsMine86: fine
ThisNameIsMine86: go
ThisNameIsMine86: I really love matches
ThisNameIsMine86: I have lit like 5 in the last 3 minutes and watched them burn
Afext: In my opinion Matt is this biggest mental 'conformist' I have ever met. This is because, example: When I started smoking pot, he said "Pot is stupid, you're destroying your brain," the typical reefer-madness crap we were fed in elementary school (!), I had to actually pressure him to agree to smoke with me for the first time, and then he dropped out of it. He only started smoking when Geoff and Monique started smoking, at which point a general consensus was formed that "Pot is Good" and he decided, oh, I guess I should smoke now.
ThisNameIsMine86: yes?
Afext: (cont. let me go on)
ThisNameIsMine86: k
ThisNameIsMine86: k
Afext: Next... Even though he has broke this rulle he does not break the other elementary rules that were formed in his head by parents and whatnot. I said, at knotts, to him, that we should come here on the weekdays so it's not so crowded. I said, you guys should ditch school some day so we can stay here all night. He said, in his condescending "yeah right" voice, that ditching school was lame and that only losers do that. I said, dude you smoke pot, you do the biggest evil, but you wont ditch school for one day, that's fucked.
Afext: (cont, let me go on.)
ThisNameIsMine86: kk
ThisNameIsMine86: I've lit 14 matches I hvae to stop but they are so cool
ThisNameIsMine86: k
ThisNameIsMine86: I heard this really simple way of making a cool bomb
Afext: Matt has never revealed any form of thinking on his own. Which means, his emotions. He has never said he was depressed, he has never said he was lonely, he has never said anything that demonstrates the fact that he is a real person in any way, shape, or form. He seems to be so particularly molded by the parents and school system we grow up in that the simple idea of having a personality is foreign to him. Like, hey, the three stooges, all they did was be funny, they probably didnt have emotions outside of that at all. Seems like Matt's role model.

He is also so set in these ideas that he does not even accept an outside idea unless it is accepted by more than one or two people, (unless this person is someone he holds in high reguard because this person appears to have the same ideas as he does, like ?will? and god knows why) ...

Like, when I disagree with him on something, he comes up with some excuse on why I am a loser and should not be listened to. Recently it's been, "Well at least I go to SCHOOL!" but before it was usually shown by him going "yeah whatever" in a condescending voice.

Notable examples are when I correct him on something, or I end up arguing a point that is so definate he can't come up with an accurate reply.

In general, Matt doesn't seem to be able to come up with any thoughts of his own at all. Like the ability to start liking a band without a direct intervention from someone else. Or even the ability to do just about anything. The idea of doing something "new" and "exciting" is completely apalling to him if he is on his own and no one else is doing it.
ThisNameIsMine86: one takes mathc heads and fills a tenis ball with them
Afext: Matt needs a crowd to follow at all times, and if he starts to be the only one doing something he quickly changes.
ThisNameIsMine86: then one throws the tennis ball and the friction caused by the impact causes all those mathc heads to go off am boom
Afext: Like, when I dressed all in black, he started to dress all in black over time when he realized people weren't kicking my ass.
Afext: And when I stopped dressing all in black, and started hanging out with people who did not dress all in black and showed a even SLIGHTLY negative opinion of people who dress all in black (ex: making fun of goths, depressed people, etc.) he slowly changed back into some form of "normal" which he's totally turned into now.
Afext: (An example I just realized: When I started doing my hair differently and didn't just brush it down, he got a weird haircut and started doing his hair differently.)
Afext: There, I guess I'm done.
ThisNameIsMine86: brb
ThisNameIsMine86: k
ThisNameIsMine86: so your final point is that matt is a huge conformist because he only does what other people do?
ThisNameIsMine86: right
ThisNameIsMine86: ?
Afext: Well, not really, the word "conformist" is such a huge plethora of shit for you I'd rather not use it at all, because you diverge into an arguement that doesn't even have to do with this...
Afext: I'm more or less voicing my opinion against matt and why I can't stand him anymore
ThisNameIsMine86: do you realize
ThisNameIsMine86: everyone including yourself is a huge conformist
Afext: Thats exactly why I dont want to bring it up
Afext: because YES I FUCKING KNOW
Afext: but not to that extent
Afext: I have my own thinking
ThisNameIsMine86: sure you do
ThisNameIsMine86: but 99% of your mind is pure conformity
ThisNameIsMine86: and matt maybe be 99.1%
Afext: I dress how I want to dress, I listen to I want to listen to, I think what I want to think... Sure it's because of how I was brought up and blah blah.
ThisNameIsMine86: there isn't a huge differance between you too
Afext: But, I am not conformed by the bullshit that is fed to the masses
ThisNameIsMine86: you just gave me 2 great examples
ThisNameIsMine86: yes you are
ThisNameIsMine86: you said I dress the way I want to dress
Afext: I do not go, "ditching school is bad, drugs are bad."
ThisNameIsMine86: brad
ThisNameIsMine86: were we not goingt o take turns?
Afext: yes I know but you're going off topic again
ThisNameIsMine86: no I am on
ThisNameIsMine86: watch
ThisNameIsMine86: listen
Afext: Alright fine.
ThisNameIsMine86: you say
Afext: I forgot about the turns, lol.
ThisNameIsMine86: that the idea doing drugs is bad ditching school is bad
ThisNameIsMine86: you say those ideas are conformist ideals
ThisNameIsMine86: but you just exhibited 2 huge conformist ideals, that actualy deal with your idea that you are less of a conformist
ThisNameIsMine86: you said
ThisNameIsMine86: I dress the way I want to I listen to what i want to
ThisNameIsMine86: but brad the idea that those things matter
ThisNameIsMine86: is an ideal held mostly by teens, american teens
Afext: I was not saying that I was not conformist.
ThisNameIsMine86: I know
ThisNameIsMine86: but I am saying youa re jsut as big a conformist
ThisNameIsMine86: but in a different way
ThisNameIsMine86: culture is conformity and culture makes us human
Afext: The difference between me and the majority is that the "way I want to dress" is not motivated by the popular conception of how to dress.
ThisNameIsMine86: matt actualy cares less about what he wears than you do I think
ThisNameIsMine86: that is not the point
ThisNameIsMine86: the point is you belive that your style of dress truly matters
ThisNameIsMine86: and effects you as a person
ThisNameIsMine86: and defines you as a perosn
ThisNameIsMine86: and that your personality
ThisNameIsMine86: is somehoe manifest in your preferacen of pants
ThisNameIsMine86: that is soemthing teens think
Afext: Yes, but that isn't what I was arguing against, you are going to far. You're too busy attacking me.
ThisNameIsMine86: that is popular culture right there
ThisNameIsMine86: you are conforming just as much as matt
ThisNameIsMine86: just you conform to the ideal that you are a non conformist and he doesn't
ThisNameIsMine86: you conform to non conformity as he does to conformity
ThisNameIsMine86: let me give you an example
ThisNameIsMine86: did you ever meet eddie?
Afext: *sigh* You have a serious issue with debating. You shouldn't use the opposition as a negative example, it pisses me of.
Afext: Eddie is cool, yes.
ThisNameIsMine86: right
ThisNameIsMine86: but eddie is the biggest conformist I know
ThisNameIsMine86: I knwo I do debate alot
ThisNameIsMine86: It is a bad habbit
ThisNameIsMine86: eddie is a giganitc conformist
Afext: Well, I didn't think he was cool because of how he dresses, what he looks like, or what he listens to, either so that's ok
Afext: Wow, I just realized my point.
ThisNameIsMine86: he belives exactly as his parents do
Afext: I am not talking about conformity of the body, what you wear, what you listened to.
ThisNameIsMine86: what is your point then
ThisNameIsMine86: then?
ThisNameIsMine86: I'm not talking about that either
Afext: I am talking about conformity of the mind. The ability to think on your own and form your own opinions. Whether or not they are influenced by "conformity."
ThisNameIsMine86: no one can do that completly
ThisNameIsMine86: and everyone does that to some extant
Afext: Yes but one can completely lose the ability.
ThisNameIsMine86: no everyone does it to some extant
Afext: You fucking take it too far, take my arguement as I say it, not as you see it.
Afext: No
Afext: I said
Afext: Yes but one can completely use the ability [to form their own thoughts]
ThisNameIsMine86: how can I take it anyother way than as I see it
ThisNameIsMine86: no
ThisNameIsMine86: one cannot
Afext: Yes
Afext: Look at Matt
ThisNameIsMine86: wait
Afext: Where does he get everything? From what other people think.
ThisNameIsMine86: let me explain eddie first
Afext: *sigh*
ThisNameIsMine86: so do you
ThisNameIsMine86: now eddie
Afext: No, I am different from Matt because of one defining quality
ThisNameIsMine86: he is a complete conformist
ThisNameIsMine86: what is the quality?
Afext: I can use what people think, multiple people, and analyze it and figure out what I think is best for me... Where as matt looks at what people think, determines who he should follow, and does exactly what those people do.
Afext: I am not arguing that I am not affected by other people, god forbid I argue against the very thing that motivates us all
ThisNameIsMine86: matt
ThisNameIsMine86: has to decide between different ideas
ThisNameIsMine86: just as you do
Afext: No, I am able to form my own opinions.
Afext: Matt has 1 and 2
Afext: I have 1 and 2
Afext: Matt takes either 1 or 2
ThisNameIsMine86: and you make 3
ThisNameIsMine86: right
Afext: I look at 1 or 2 and maybe I can take 3, or 4...
Afext: Yup exactly
ThisNameIsMine86: that is called synthisis
ThisNameIsMine86: synthesis
ThisNameIsMine86: and what I have been trying to say
ThisNameIsMine86: is that everyone exhibits it alittle
ThisNameIsMine86: and no one exhibits it completly
Afext: Or maybe I take 2 because in reality 1 and 1 makes 2... or I take 1 because perhaps the ideas of 2 are too extreme and 1 is half of that and is more subdued
Afext: Matt doesn't exhibit it at all!
ThisNameIsMine86: yes he does
ThisNameIsMine86: it is impossible for him not to
ThisNameIsMine86: look
Afext: He doesn't go... "Man, I should like Metallica or Korn. Perhaps I can like both?"
ThisNameIsMine86: look
ThisNameIsMine86: wait
Afext: He goes "I'll like Metallica because too many people like Korn."
ThisNameIsMine86: he has his parents telling him one thing the school another you a third geoff an other and me another
ThisNameIsMine86: etc.
ThisNameIsMine86: and he is a mixture of all these
ThisNameIsMine86: so there he is not syntesising
ThisNameIsMine86: you are the same
Afext: If you mix the ideas together, sure.
ThisNameIsMine86: but here is where syntheis comes in
Afext: But if you take the ideas apart, no.
ThisNameIsMine86: exaclty it is in the mixing
ThisNameIsMine86: you mix them
ThisNameIsMine86: he mixes them
Afext: You can go, He smokes pot, but he wont ditch school. So he has both opinions effecting him.
ThisNameIsMine86: one has to mix them other wise one would be exactly like someone else
Afext: But, no... He wont ditch school because of parents/school. He smokes pot because of geoff.
Afext: Yes but that's exactly what matt is
Afext: Matt is everyone else.
ThisNameIsMine86: has it struck you that perhaps
Afext: He isn't someone else
ThisNameIsMine86: he thinks ditching is a bad idea
ThisNameIsMine86: but that is irrelavent
ThisNameIsMine86: the point is he is not completly like someone else
ThisNameIsMine86: he is matt
Afext: Thats exactly what we're arguing it's not irrelavent.
ThisNameIsMine86: he is an individual
Afext: And Matt is just like everyone else
ThisNameIsMine86: he has several diffeernt opinions
Afext: Minus emotions
ThisNameIsMine86: matt
ThisNameIsMine86: is a mixture of everyone else
ThisNameIsMine86: in the same way that you are a mixture of everyone else
Afext: Because Matt seems emotionless except for the idea of sex and the fact that he holds himself above everyone else
ThisNameIsMine86: that is called culture
ThisNameIsMine86: matt is very happy
ThisNameIsMine86: almost always happy granted
ThisNameIsMine86: I think that is partialy an act
Afext: except those that he thinks are better than him because of "conformist" ideals (age, paper knowledge, etc.)
ThisNameIsMine86: it is the basis of human nature
ThisNameIsMine86: to mix
Afext: I think it's the fact that he's afraid to demonstrate any other emotion because "they dont have meetings about rainbows" (if you've seen 6th Sense)
ThisNameIsMine86: everyone is a mixtuer of everyone else
ThisNameIsMine86: you are a mixtuer of william and your parents and your school and you TV and everything else
Afext: That's funny because I am unlike everyone I have ever known in real life, which is why I dont mix well with people.
Afext: Oh don't you say I'm a mixture of William, if there is one think I am against being, it's William.
ThisNameIsMine86: have you ever met anyone who is as big a conformist as matt?
Afext: I said that, no, I have never met anyone as big as Matt
ThisNameIsMine86: brad when you started to hang out with will I saw you start to take on some of his traits
Afext: Like what??
ThisNameIsMine86: well then matt is incredibly different in that he is the biggest conformist
ThisNameIsMine86: like when will hated me
ThisNameIsMine86: everyone except geoff and kris started to
Afext: I didnt like you before Will started to not like you
ThisNameIsMine86: including you
ThisNameIsMine86: yes
ThisNameIsMine86: big deal
Afext: lol
Afext: Then I did not gain that trait from Will!
ThisNameIsMine86: when he started to hate me
ThisNameIsMine86: I didn't say you gained the ahte
ThisNameIsMine86: or I didn't mean to
Afext: I started to dislike you on my own because I started to think you writing was rather pretentious and crappy.
ThisNameIsMine86: you only started to exhibit the trait
ThisNameIsMine86: when will did
ThisNameIsMine86: you should talk about pretentious
ThisNameIsMine86: you never acticly showed your hate
ThisNameIsMine86: until will did
ThisNameIsMine86: and then you hoped on board
Afext: Thats because I had no reason to show that I disliked you. You didn't threaten me, you didn't entrench on my terrain or anything...
ThisNameIsMine86: and you may not have noticed
Afext: That's because on levels I am a follower
ThisNameIsMine86: why did you have a reason
ThisNameIsMine86: once will did
ThisNameIsMine86: excatly
ThisNameIsMine86: by point youa re part will
ThisNameIsMine86: will is part you
Afext: I know I'm a follower, but no that does not make me a part of will
ThisNameIsMine86: if you aer doing what will does becasue he is a leader and you are a follower?
ThisNameIsMine86: well that makes you part of will
ThisNameIsMine86: you know what I realize that my writing is pretentious and crapy
ThisNameIsMine86: do you realize that about yoru?
ThisNameIsMine86: yours?
ThisNameIsMine86: I'm just curious
Afext: I know that sometimes my writing can get cheesy, and cliche, and I try to combat that now, but I realize that cheesey and cliche is not always bad...
ThisNameIsMine86: I didn't say cheesey
ThisNameIsMine86: althouhg you are extreamly cliche
ThisNameIsMine86: which just shows how much of a conformist you are
ThisNameIsMine86: I siad pretentious
Afext: I've never liked my writing, I've never been one to toot my own horny... But I have started to appreciate it along with other people, and I can tell when something I write is good or bad now, before people tell me, which is a needed characteristic of a writer...
ThisNameIsMine86: do you realize that?
ThisNameIsMine86: you never toot your own horn
Afext: yeah
ThisNameIsMine86: I belive EB is a huge TOOT
Afext: No it is only a toot because other people make it a toot
ThisNameIsMine86: even if you don't mean it to be
ThisNameIsMine86: it still is
Afext: If such a large number of people didn't like EB I wouldn't hype it.
ThisNameIsMine86: how many people like it?
ThisNameIsMine86: I don't
ThisNameIsMine86: and I don't know anyone who does
ThisNameIsMine86: how many people do?
Afext: One second let me get recent numbers
ThisNameIsMine86: k
ThisNameIsMine86: let me ask you a question then, if you aren't a huge conformist like matt, am I?
ThisNameIsMine86: and if so why?
Afext: You demonstrate your own feelings and emotions.
Afext: Like, you like matches
ThisNameIsMine86: fine and will?
Afext: Ditto.
ThisNameIsMine86: hmmmm
Afext: There's about 450 people who read electricbiscuit
ThisNameIsMine86: so what are the numbers?
ThisNameIsMine86: a day?
Afext: 350 or so read electricbiscuit daily
ThisNameIsMine86: right
Afext: 100 or so don't have time to drop in every day...
Afext: about 200 of those daily readers drop in over 2 times a day
ThisNameIsMine86: so out of the what 100 million people
ThisNameIsMine86: on line
ThisNameIsMine86: 450 like EB?
Afext: When you compare it to the fact that smaller websites that get 5 visitors a day, EB's visitor base is huge...
ThisNameIsMine86: yeah and you compare a spirder to an ant
Afext: In it's genere, EB is one of the most popular sites out there.
Afext: No
ThisNameIsMine86: and it is huge but they are both insignificant
Afext: I dont mean smaller websites
Afext: lol
Afext: Not really
ThisNameIsMine86: you care about killing spiders and ants
Afext: When you consider that electricbiscuit is such a forum for me, it demonstrates my design skills, my writing skills, personality, and everything...
ThisNameIsMine86: you compare a virus to a bacteria
Afext: It's actually not just insignificant
ThisNameIsMine86: not to you
Afext: It's actually a launch pad that can get me started in a career in the future that may leave me very, very wealthy.
Afext: Not to a lot of people
ThisNameIsMine86: but to the 999,999,550 other people online who don't care
Afext: No
Afext: Not people who don't care
Afext: People who haven't been to EB
ThisNameIsMine86: well
ThisNameIsMine86: right
ThisNameIsMine86: so everyone who goes there loves it
ThisNameIsMine86: I don't like it
Afext: Nope
Afext: There are a few people who hate it, sure.
ThisNameIsMine86: will certaintily doesn't
ThisNameIsMine86: nor kris nor matt
ThisNameIsMine86: I didn't say I hated it
ThisNameIsMine86: just the only reason I ever go is to see
ThisNameIsMine86: maybe once a month
Afext: But the majority of the people who hate it are people who hate the fact that it's popular, and then there are some people, a smaller level, who just don't enjoy it.
Afext: And of course there are people who don't like weblogs, or journals...
ThisNameIsMine86: I really don't hate the fact that it is pouplar
ThisNameIsMine86: right
ThisNameIsMine86: well anyway this is pointless
Afext: But that is why I try to appeal to a larger audience by offering several things...
ThisNameIsMine86: you have an insignificant site and I have an insiginificat life and we all are hoplessly insignificant
Afext: There's a weblog, a journal-type-thing, art, voyeurism, and if I got the poll and guestbook back up, personal communication.
Afext: You have a very wide view which is incorrect.
Afext: You think everything is relative to everything
ThisNameIsMine86: by being wide I am inccorect?
Afext: But it's not
ThisNameIsMine86: everything is relaitive to evrything you just choose what to base it on at the moment
Afext: You ignore the fact that things operate in circles
ThisNameIsMine86: I like to take a large view
ThisNameIsMine86: in circles?
ThisNameIsMine86: brad EB might matter to a couple of teenagers in whittier
Afext: ElectricBiscuit is famous in it's area, in it's genere... I am a well known "internet celebirty" in it's circle.
ThisNameIsMine86: and somepeople elsewhere might have an interest
ThisNameIsMine86: but
Afext: Like it or not the name Stuyvesant Parker is known by, easily, 2,500 people.
Afext: BUT
Afext: Sure, if you jump into, say...
ThisNameIsMine86: why would I not like it
ThisNameIsMine86: or why would I like
ThisNameIsMine86: it
Afext: A poetry channel on AOL, no one would know
Afext: But that is not my AUDIENCE
ThisNameIsMine86: 2500 people don't matter
ThisNameIsMine86: who's talkina tbou poetry channels
Afext: People who don't watch TV aren't going to know what "Friends" is
ThisNameIsMine86: you really don't get this do you
Afext: You seem to be saying that... Oh, because some people don't watch tv, "Friends" isn't really famous and it's just insiginificant
Afext: So those actors/actresses have nothing to be proud of
ThisNameIsMine86: first of all
ThisNameIsMine86: I've seen friends and it isn';t anything to be proud of
Afext: Yes but to the general television watching public, it's a great show, as are many shows.
ThisNameIsMine86: second of all I don't think sitcoms in general effect many peoples lives i a profound and deep way
Afext: I am not talking about FRIENDS itself
Afext: I am talking about the IDEA
ThisNameIsMine86: i know
Afext: You take things too literally
ThisNameIsMine86: no
Afext: Alright you want me to explain this in something you wont take too literally?
ThisNameIsMine86: I was making a very brief and lame attepmt at slight levity
Afext: How about...
Afext: Microsoft.
ThisNameIsMine86: microsoft matters
Afext: Microsoft owns Windows, huge company, huge product
ThisNameIsMine86: yes
Afext: HAH!
Afext: You jsut contradicted yourself big boy.
Afext: How does microsoft matter?
ThisNameIsMine86: no I didn't
Afext: Why does microsoft matter?
ThisNameIsMine86: you have no idea what i am trying to say
ThisNameIsMine86: because you won't let me takl
ThisNameIsMine86: what I am saying is that
Afext: Dude, you were just saying that ElectricBiscuit doesn't matter
ThisNameIsMine86: I know
Afext: When in reality, in my audience, in my spectrum, it is HUUUGE
ThisNameIsMine86: mircosot is a lot bigger than EB
ThisNameIsMine86