FentanylicOxide: i'm watching hackers, haha
FentanylicOxide: this is the funniest shit i've ever seen
Afext: I'm having the most amazing dxm trip
FentanylicOxide: i know, i love those ones
FentanylicOxide: fucking this one time
FentanylicOxide: i was a fucking ASTRONAUT
FentanylicOxide: it was fucking AMAZING
FentanylicOxide: i fucking started to FLY all above the earth and see it from the moon and fucking...aggh, it was so amazing
FentanylicOxide: i'm gonna trip that shit hardcore sometime this week...1500mg
Afext: dude thats too much you'll overload
FentanylicOxide: nope, i can take a bit...i've done over 1000mg before
Afext: damn dude..
Afext: rightaid is out of dxm now
FentanylicOxide: damn
Afext: i need to find anothr store that has it
Afext: and I am out of it
FentanylicOxide: cough syrup
FentanylicOxide: heh
Afext: dude there is no way I am stealing a bottle of Robotussin per trip
FentanylicOxide: coricidins make me sick...just looking at them, i dunno why
FentanylicOxide: hmm
Afext: I cannot chug that stuff either, that's so sick
FentanylicOxide: you get used to it
FentanylicOxide: i did robo the first few times
Afext: Dudde?!?! You get sick by looking at Coricidin? you're turning into those guys who puke when you see them.
Afext: That is so pyscho
FentanylicOxide: yeah, i know...it's the antihistamine i think
FentanylicOxide: i know!
Afext: I love Coricidin
Afext: I am having the best trips.
FentanylicOxide: i just think of those little red pills and uuughh...
FentanylicOxide: it's the antihistamine, it always makes me kinda sick
Afext: It doesn't make me sick
Afext: I love it
Afext: Steal some Coricidin and send it to me
FentanylicOxide: fuck, i'm gonna write about my astronaut experience...you wouldn't believe what a memory it is...just, aggh...i wish i could feel that again
Afext: Send like... 6000 puills, I need them.
FentanylicOxide: i have four stolen boxes in CO
FentanylicOxide: lol
FentanylicOxide: feel free to get them...my garage combo is 1776
Afext: lol
FentanylicOxide: fuck...i remember walking out with those 6 boxes...that was my second-to-last day in Parker
FentanylicOxide: aaah...life is good, i can't wait until i'm 16....i saw high fidelity and realized i gotta spend all of my money on CDs...mabye some computer shit and of course drugs
FentanylicOxide: that black wave thing too...where it swallowed me up, you know? god, closed eye visuals are so cool...i gotta write out all i can remember
Afext wants to send file D:\AIM Files\lifeisbeautiful.htm.
FentanylicOxide received D:\AIM Files\lifeisbeautiful.htm.
Afext: that's my chat with paula
Afext: fuck i gotta piss
FentanylicOxide: k
Afext: thats amazing its raining outsided
FentanylicOxide: rain is cool
Afext: damn my dxm trips just keep getting better and better
Afext: i didnt think today could be better thna yetserday when sara called
FentanylicOxide: hmm
FentanylicOxide: do this:
Afext: i've tripped three days in a row, dangerous you think?
Afext: I'm out now though.
FentanylicOxide: nah, i've done that before
FentanylicOxide: anyway
FentanylicOxide: you need:
FentanylicOxide: DARK room, dark as you can find
Afext: i need to see if albertsons has it.. hmm? go on
FentanylicOxide: portable CD player if one isn't in that particular room
FentanylicOxide: soft, light, comfortable music
FentanylicOxide: EX:
FentanylicOxide: Radiohead-Airbag/How Am I Driving?
FentanylicOxide: (perfect)
Afext: yup
FentanylicOxide: pretty soon you'll be in CEV heaven, dude
FentanylicOxide: just sit there and watch the colors
FentanylicOxide: it's fuckin' great
FentanylicOxide: that's how i got my astronaut thing
FentanylicOxide: except i was next to the computer just starting out on a big dose and i just closed my eyes to the music
Afext: heh to each his own
Afext: i've discovered my trips aren't really like yours
FentanylicOxide: really?
FentanylicOxide: how are yours?
Afext: i dunno,.. mine now are more like mind expansion and mind control
Afext: I can control the extended cababilities of my mind
FentanylicOxide: hmm
FentanylicOxide: i dunno, just try the CEV shit, though...i mean, everyone has to get some closed-eye visuals
Afext: like when sara called I could make myself have the feeling of an orgasm times 400 go over my body in waves if I wanted to..
Afext: i could turn it on and off
Afext: And I ahve the effect of being able to talk about stuff easier, amplfy my true feelings
Afext: and I understand things very quickly and easily
FentanylicOxide: hmm
Afext: I was watching Big Brother and I had a feeling Josh was the sabotager and I was sure of it for some reason... and this was *BEFORE* he was really picked as the sabotager
FentanylicOxide: whoa
FentanylicOxide: cool
Afext: I think dxm expands on my "gift"
FentanylicOxide: hmmm
Afext: "Gift" that Lia told me I had
FentanylicOxide: it just brings me out...i mainly love it for the visuals, which is why i wanna try acid...i like the outrospectiveness of it all, though
Afext: I dont get visuals anymore
Afext: I dont even really get that cool "seeing with your eyes closed" effect anymore
FentanylicOxide: high doses give more visuals, you just don't do enough
Afext: hmmm
Afext: I do fine with how much I take
Afext: 10 pills per trip is good for me
FentanylicOxide: how much do you dose, on average?
Afext: more is uneeded, wasteful.
FentanylicOxide: naaah, you gotta do more and hit the higher plateaus
FentanylicOxide: those are the best
Afext: I did 12 and I didnt have that enjoyable of a trip
Afext: I dont think so dude
Afext: 10 is good for me, I dosed higher and my trip wasn't that good
Afext: I need human contact
Afext: Higher dosages, the less I can do
Afext: Atleast I can type now on 10
FentanylicOxide: hmm
Afext: I wish I could feel like I did earlier, forever.
Afext: A not worry asbout reality and posessions and my future
FentanylicOxide: hmm
Afext: and learning more and anything
FentanylicOxide: that's how it always is for me
Afext: I dont want to learn anymore
FentanylicOxide: i can never worry, i fucking puked all over my basement and i didn't care
Afext: I'm tired of learning... i just want to go into reality now
Afext: lol thats fucked up
FentanylicOxide: yeah
FentanylicOxide: and stealing shit
FentanylicOxide: me and seth grabbed so much when we did gibberish together
Afext: you're gonna start puking when you see Coricidin and I'm gonna laugh at you, that's weird that it happens to you
FentanylicOxide: LOL
FentanylicOxide: it's just the pills
FentanylicOxide: not the boxes
Afext: Well it'll progress into the boxes
FentanylicOxide: i'm still using them, it's just not for higher plateaus and alone
Afext: I'm gonna taunt you with the pills some day
Afext: It'll be like 1984
FentanylicOxide: hahaha
Afext: Room 101 will be full of coricidin
FentanylicOxide: never read it, i should
FentanylicOxide: lol
FentanylicOxide: uugh, shit...yeah, i can imagine myself projectile vomiting
Afext: lol
FentanylicOxide: say goodbye to sobriety!
FentanylicOxide: *waves*
Afext: whar?
FentanylicOxide: getting myself drunk, yeuh
Afext: lol
Afext: i'm down of my dxm high but I feel good
Afext: I'm reading big brother stuff still
Afext: like I was doing the entire high lol
Afext: i am so in love with this show now dude
FentanylicOxide: yeah, drugs are great...i wanna synthesize acid and shit and grow buds when i turn 18
Afext: loook what dxm did to me
FentanylicOxide: ?
Afext: DXM made me in love with the show big brother
FentanylicOxide: lol
FentanylicOxide: nah, i could never like that real world ripoff shit :P
Afext: I wouldnt have started watching this show if it wasn't for thetime I watched it on DXM and it was amazing
FentanylicOxide: hmm
Afext: dude Big Brother is NOT real world rip off
Afext: it's a lot better
FentanylicOxide: hmm
Afext: it's cool, they fuck with their heads
Afext: it's so cool
FentanylicOxide: hrmmm, i dunno
Afext: it's really awesome on DXM
FentanylicOxide: i'm gonna watch Being John Malkovich once i'm pissing-drunk-off-my-ass
Afext: cos you can think like the houseguests if you want and really understand what they feel, and then you can see them from the view of big brother and laugh at them and how stupid they are
FentanylicOxide: hmm
Afext: dude big brother gave them a list of which is worst.. this is the best list ever
Afext: eat a dozen heads of lettuce or 2 boxes of uncooked rice?
FentanylicOxide: rice
FentanylicOxide: definitely
FentanylicOxide: i do that anyway
Afext: gross dude uncooked rice? bleh
FentanylicOxide: yeah
FentanylicOxide: OOH!
FentanylicOxide: i have CHINESE
Afext: have sex with 1 attractive person you cannot love or as many unattractive people as you want
FentanylicOxide: from LUNCH, oh yeah!
FentanylicOxide: oh yeah, i seriously think i've got what the guy from Pi has
FentanylicOxide: i get a headache
FentanylicOxide: at 1:30
FentanylicOxide: EVERY DAY
FentanylicOxide: it gets worse and worse and then just sort of fades out
FentanylicOxide: but i get it at the same time
FentanylicOxide: every fucking day since i moved
Afext: have sex with 1 attractive person you cannot love or as many unattractive people as you want ???
FentanylicOxide: oh, uh
FentanylicOxide: hmm...tough one
FentanylicOxide: first choice
Afext: you suck lol
FentanylicOxide: i'm a vulcan at heart
FentanylicOxide: lol
FentanylicOxide: well, as i see it
FentanylicOxide: love is just a reflex
FentanylicOxide: love isn't real, true love doesn't exist
FentanylicOxide: emotions are useless to the thinking human
FentanylicOxide: therefore, sex over love
Afext: dude come on after dxm how can you think that?
Afext: emotions are what make us human.
Afext: love is everything
FentanylicOxide: emotions are what MADE us human
Afext: the pyschical existance is nothing
FentanylicOxide: emotions are simply reflex, designed by nature to control us
Afext: No, you're wrong... emotions are mind.
FentanylicOxide: Love is just a means to force us to procreate
FentanylicOxide: Hate is just a means to force us to survive
Afext: Without mind we're nothing, without emotions there's no mind. Emotions are everything.
FentanylicOxide: no, emotions are nothing...the perfect human has no emotions
Afext: Love is a means to continue
FentanylicOxide: mm...beer
Afext: without love there is no reasont o live
Afext: love is the will to go on
FentanylicOxide: yes, designed and put into our heads by mother nature
FentanylicOxide: not for me
FentanylicOxide: i don't wake up and say "kill myself? nah, i've got love"
Afext: you have to love something to want to live, to survive.
Afext: Love is not only person to person
FentanylicOxide: i wake up and say "kill myself? nah, i have KNOWLEDGE"
Afext: Love is when you love ANYTHING
Afext: Knowledge is something you love.
FentanylicOxide: i disagree, i think love is just reflex
FentanylicOxide: no, knowledge is something i have
Afext: bullshit. love is everything. emotions are everything.
Afext: You *desire* knowledge, you love it.
Afext: You *need* you *want* that is LOVE
FentanylicOxide: exactly
FentanylicOxide: need, want
FentanylicOxide: it's all reflex, it's all been put into our heads
FentanylicOxide: and we DON'T HAVE A CHOICE
Afext: Everything is motivated by love. It's like there is NEVER a pull, it's always a push.
FentanylicOxide: we can't simply say "off"
FentanylicOxide: exactly, it's all a push
FentanylicOxide: designed by nature
Afext: We can't simply say "off" because without love we are nothing
Afext: No, that's not what I meant.
FentanylicOxide: no, we can still be something
FentanylicOxide: without emotions fucking with our thoughts we could be more productive, for one
Afext: What are we without motivation?
Afext: Without love we have no motivation.
FentanylicOxide: we are still human
FentanylicOxide: emotions don't make us human
Afext: No. The purist state is when productivity doesn't fuck with our emotions.
FentanylicOxide: or vice versa.
Afext: Emotions make us human, yes they do.
FentanylicOxide: (beer...sip, sip)
Afext: What makes a cat unhuman?
FentanylicOxide: no, we are machines
FentanylicOxide: machines, that's all we are, complex fine tuned PERFECT machines
Afext: WHAT MAKES A CAT UNHUMAN!?
FentanylicOxide: EVERYTHING about us works in unison
FentanylicOxide: define human.
Afext: You use the term human, you should know what it means.
FentanylicOxide: what makes a cat a machine? everything that makes us machine.
Afext: Human is you or me.
FentanylicOxide: what, though
Afext: I am not talking about machines!
FentanylicOxide: seperates HUMAN from MACHINES
FentanylicOxide: yes you ARE
Afext: Okay here...
FentanylicOxide: because we ARE machines
Afext: Stop.
Afext: Stopp. Let me talk
Afext: Listen.
FentanylicOxide: hmm, ok.
FentanylicOxide: gotcha.
FentanylicOxide: all ears.
FentanylicOxide: (you're hearing my side of this with no interruptions, mind you :P)
Afext: If the word "Human" means Me, and You.. Aka, objects representing me and you.. we don't need more detail than that cos you know what I mean... A Human is what we are, we are human... now, what makes a Cat, a cat meaning a typical household cat... What makes a cat different than us? Why is a cat not considdered "human"? why is a cat not us?
FentanylicOxide: because we are biased. a cat may exhibit emotions just as well as we do, but we can NEVER KNOW until we teach cats the english language.
Afext: From a non-human persepective.
Afext: Why does Cat != Human.
FentanylicOxide: ?
Afext: You're viewing it as if we're human
Afext: you're saying "we are biased" don't.
FentanylicOxide: quit asking questions, just explain your point of view while i take a piss.
Afext: See, what I wanted you to say was...
Afext: The Cat and your "Human" are different because the Human as more mental capacity as the Cat, the human contains more room to contain the tools needed to process complex thoughts, translating emotions to eachother. But on this level the Cat is "Human" because the Cat can translate to eachother and talk to other parts of it's species. Humans can't talk to other species either. Have you ever seen a Human talk to a Cat and have the Cat understand? No. The human is the same level as the Cat. The Cat is human, too... So, your definition of Human is fucked up. All species can communicate with themselves.
FentanylicOxide: i wasn't debating that.
Afext: I know
FentanylicOxide: i was merely stating:
Afext: FI evolved into that, sorry
FentanylicOxide: (i have the floor now, ha-ha)
Afext: I was writing and that came out... heh..
Afext: Argh, okay. I'll bequite.
Afext: Quiet.
Afext: (go on)
Afext: gonna get some cookies, write away.
FentanylicOxide: our brain, our bodies...all of it is one complex machine with one goal in mind: survive. with technology evolving so fast, does it not seem plausible that human replicants will be available (and perfected) within at MOST 500 years? what then? where, is what i mean, does HUMANITY stop and MACHINERY begin. in my opinion, the quest for knowledge and self-improvement is what seperates us from machines. some people go to their office every day of the week, make a good salary, and do a variety of other things that, with practice, could be predicted. these people, despite their lineage, are MACHINES. humanity is chaos. the very minute you allow yourself to conform into a mere predictable string of numbers as opposed to a complex system is the minute you turn yourself into a machine. there IS no line, people who live as machines live as machines, and people who LIVE, they're the humans. emotions are simply there so we don't all up and kill ourselves.
FentanylicOxide: word.
Afext: hmm
FentanylicOxide: heh...getting another beer, brb
Afext: my floor
FentanylicOxide: think i'll wait on that beer...wish we had some hard shit
Afext: you cannot break down human actions into logical algorithims. there is no way you can run anything through any computer and come out with anything remotely human. give them 500 years they will not replilicate a human. you cannot replicate something that stems from, as you say, CHAOS into a machine that runs on logic and LAWS that are set perfeclty. No matter what you do you cannot get a perfect random number generator. Choas, randomness, what makes us human, does not exist in machines. The very idea of a "Bicentennial Man" is completely absurd because no electronics could exist that would ever generate the randomness, the chaos, to be able to make something unique... nothing can generate 5,000,000,000 entirely different unique random number stringers, then each number of that unique string has it's own completely unique string off of it, and so forth ad infitum... thats what human is, human is randomness to infinity, and you cannot ever get that in a machine. EMOTIONS are what make us human, and EMOTIONS are CHOAS.. and CHOAS cannot be replicated by LOGIC and LOGIC is what runs MACHINES
Afext: you can make a machine that does tasks, sure, go ahead, you can make them as complex as you like but when it comes down to it that machine is not capable of free thought. nothing machanical is.
FentanylicOxide: nothing mechanical TODAY
FentanylicOxide: if you think about it, we're not even capable of free thought
Afext: If it doesn't come from the water, it cannot possibly be even be remotely human or organic in appearance
FentanylicOxide: emotions, blah...it's all been set up to guide us into doing exactly what we're supposed to do
Afext: "Free thought" being proven by the inability to trace your actions back to a single logical point of being.
Afext: Machines do something for a specific task and that's that.
Afext: Let me demonstrate.
FentanylicOxide: so do we.
FentanylicOxide: ok, do so
Afext: A Robot goes to the store to get some milk. It's owner told him he needs milk. The Robot does what the owner tells him to do because he was PROGRAMED to do so. Done. I mean, there are more steps there but thats basicly the point of that... Now, silence, let me write out a human. Listen.
Afext: Johnny goes to the store to get some milk. Johnny is getting milk cos his mother told him to. Johnny does what his mother told him to do because he loves he. Johnny loves his mother because she gave birth to him. Johnny's mother gave birth to him because she loved life/his father/whatever enough to want to give him the gift of life. His mother loved, lets use, his father because they, well, they clicked, and boom. His father wanted a son and his mother provided that. His father wanted a son because he had two sisters growing up and they were major bithces.... and so on...it goes on and on and there is NO end to it
Afext: It can go on through a thousand different pathways and it never ends, that is human
FentanylicOxide: so? just because it never ends doesn't make it un-mechanical
Afext: A robot can never replicate that, a robot does not have a past, a robot does not carry memories
Afext: Nothing mechanical is ever infinite
FentanylicOxide: so? a ROBOT doesn't
FentanylicOxide: you're thinking is to bounded by modern science fiction
FentanylicOxide: i'm not talking about modern machines
Afext: I'm not either!
Afext: I'm talking about everythig past present future
FentanylicOxide: i'm not talking about something isaac asimov would think up
FentanylicOxide: well, machines are much more capable then you make them out to be
Afext: Nothing can fucking be completely random! Randomness is humanity!
FentanylicOxide: Pi is completely random, what makes Pi so different from the Stock Market?
FentanylicOxide: NOTHING, they are both complex chaotic systems
Afext: You cannot replicate biology.
FentanylicOxide: yes, you can
Afext: What is Pi dirved from?
FentanylicOxide: Pi is the number of diameters that can fit around a circle
FentanylicOxide: er...whatever those things are called, that divide a circle in half
FentanylicOxide: 3.14159 onto infinity, no pattern.
Afext: Pi is a number which is what you get when you divide the length of a circle by it's diamete.. a circle is a object that was made up by something bionic, something that CAME FROM THE WATER
FentanylicOxide: no, a circle is a mere figure of geometry
FentanylicOxide: if NUMBERS can be used to represent MACHINES, what then?
FentanylicOxide: chaos is chaos
Afext: How did Pi exist before the form of a circle was ever seen or imagined?
FentanylicOxide: Pi always existed
FentanylicOxide: Pi was never DISCOVERED BY US until, well, until WE DISCOVERED IT
Afext: Exactly. Pi came from the water.
FentanylicOxide: no
FentanylicOxide: it was always there
FentanylicOxide: lines and circles always existed, we didn't have to discover them
Afext: We've hit a wall. if a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound? heh.
FentanylicOxide: exactly.
FentanylicOxide: quantum mechanics, the effect of the observer upon the observed
FentanylicOxide: which does not, in this case, effect the outcome
FentanylicOxide: mathematics as a method of interpretation does not suddenly change a spatial orientation
FentanylicOxide: circles cannot be defined with lines, no matter how much math it takes to show that
FentanylicOxide: chaos exists everywhere, the stock market and Pi are merely two common examples
Afext: yes but can a machine replicate that?
FentanylicOxide: yes
FentanylicOxide: not machines NOW
FentanylicOxide: but machines will be able to
Afext: Not machines EVER
FentanylicOxide: how can you say that?
FentanylicOxide: can you see into the future?
FentanylicOxide: sex is attractive why, because our brains tell us it is
Afext: Because it's fucking not possible... how can you replicate something that is indefinate? as you said Pi goes on forever and no one knows how long it goes on, it goes on and on, you cannot duplicate something that is not definate and final.
FentanylicOxide: we are final
Afext: No we aren't, we're evolving
FentanylicOxide: so? we end, we are final
FentanylicOxide: if you had a tape recorder on someone their whole life
Afext: No we don't, we go on forever... us, humans, as a species, are forever.. we don't end
FentanylicOxide: you COULD put it into numbers
FentanylicOxide: so? not A human, which is what is being replicated
Afext: Yes but it all stems into itself... a human as itself is random, it goes down into the pathways, it's all random
FentanylicOxide: no
FentanylicOxide: it's not
FentanylicOxide: emotions contol us
FentanylicOxide: why is that so random?
Afext: emotions are random! they're different and moving and constant for everysingle human being that has ever existed
FentanylicOxide: no way
Afext: the only true randomness can exist in nature, in what existed before us... nothing WE create can be really random
FentanylicOxide: adam loved eve, john loves jill, it's all just a response to our internal chemistry
FentanylicOxide: the stock market, the stock market is random
Afext: And our internal chemistry is completely RANDOM
FentanylicOxide: the stock market is the result of MILLIONS upon BILLIONS of people's lives
FentanylicOxide: COMPLETELY random
FentanylicOxide: but STILL, it's just numbers
Afext: The stock market follows a pattern over time
FentanylicOxide: no
FentanylicOxide: it can't
FentanylicOxide: i could blow to hell all the major corporations, fit that into a pattern
FentanylicOxide: the stock market is an ORGANISM, by your definition
Afext: the stock market is bullshit, it's run by humans it's not something... blargh don't use the stock market as an example thats a pile of shit dude.
Afext: the stock market is not REAL
FentanylicOxide: yes it is
Afext: it's an IDEA that exists in our HEADS
FentanylicOxide: the stock market is who we are!
Afext: It's not something that if we all died, would still exist
FentanylicOxide: we all have jobs, that's the stock market
FentanylicOxide: so? it's the product of modern society
Afext: It's not a fucking rock that exists over time... if we all disappeared the stock market would disappear with us
FentanylicOxide: it's still there
FentanylicOxide: it controls us, yet we control it at the same time
Afext: that doesn't make it real that doesn't make it an example of randomness that doesn't make it a self perseving mechanism.
FentanylicOxide: it's COMPLETELY random because NOBODY can say what will happen tomorrow
FentanylicOxide: i never said it was self-preserving
FentanylicOxide: i said it was a system of chaos
FentanylicOxide: we, on the other hand, CAN be predicted because our emotions control us
FentanylicOxide: if we CAN be predicted we CAN be replicated
Afext: we cannot be predicted
FentanylicOxide: it all depends on your point of view, i think emotions control us, you don't
FentanylicOxide: i think we can
FentanylicOxide: meanwhile you don't, leave it at that
Afext: hmpf
Afext: How can we be predicted by something we create?
FentanylicOxide: because we ourselves were created
FentanylicOxide: by ourselves...it's paradoxical
FentanylicOxide: EVOLUTION, the creator creates something MORE POWERFUL than the creator
Afext: Once we're predicted we become obsolete, and our nature is self-preserving, so creating something that would predict us would be counter-productive, thus we would never do it which means machines that smart will never exist
FentanylicOxide: which is my POINT
FentanylicOxide: we ARE obsolete, because "good citizens" are all but machines
FentanylicOxide: if the rules must define us, those who conform are PREDICTABLE and are nothing but MACHINES
Afext: No, you're wrong
FentanylicOxide: wrong, by your point of view
FentanylicOxide: right by mine, who's to say?
Afext: What keeps us from being obsolete is the random emotions that take heed over our every day occurances
FentanylicOxide: they're not random
FentanylicOxide: you see a woman
FentanylicOxide: you fall in love
FentanylicOxide: you procreate
Afext: Why do you fall in love?
FentanylicOxide: because you're MEANT to
FentanylicOxide: for the sake of procreation
FentanylicOxide: love has nothing to do with it, it's all just lust
Afext: blah
FentanylicOxide: think what you will, your views reflect the type of person you are
Afext: you fall in love because attributes in her appeal to you and they appeal to you because of reasons a b c d e and f.. and a b c d e and f exist because of g h i j k l m n and p and g h i j k l m n o and p exist because of the reasons q r s.. and so on and so foth, it goes on forever, CHAOS, RANDOMNESS
FentanylicOxide: no
FentanylicOxide: her attributes appeal to you why?
FentanylicOxide: BECAUSE she is a woman
FentanylicOxide: you're not programmed to like MEN, why?
Afext: That doesn't explain gay people, sir.
FentanylicOxide: because you can't PROCREATE
FentanylicOxide: if you think homosexuality is genetic, it certainly doesn't
Afext: who says being heterosexual is genetic?
FentanylicOxide: it is
Afext: we just assume it's genectic
FentanylicOxide: no, it has to be
FentanylicOxide: because we EVOLVED that way
Afext: where have we found a gene that says "this is the heterosexual gene"
FentanylicOxide: so? we haven't mapped the human genome
Afext: then how do we know homosexuality isn't genetic?
FentanylicOxide: because MAN+MAN does not equal MAN
FentanylicOxide: we EVOLVED
FentanylicOxide: that means that WOMAN+MAN=MAN is IN OUR GENES
FentanylicOxide: we can't fight it
FentanylicOxide: gay people simply substitute MAN for WOMAN which doesn't work
FentanylicOxide: in the end, of course, because they can't procreate
Afext: Yes but then why do homsexuals exist?
FentanylicOxide: do single-celled organisms have sexes? NO. sexes evolved
FentanylicOxide: because of emotion
FentanylicOxide: we want what we cannot have, so we find something we think we can
Afext: And are humans the only species that homosexuals have existed in?
FentanylicOxide: yes, because only humans are programmed with higher "emotions" such as love
FentanylicOxide: you don't see gay grasshoppers marching around in parades and fucking drangonflies trying to give it up the ass
Afext: EMOTIONS make us HUMAN then. woohoo.
FentanylicOxide: no
FentanylicOxide: emotions are just higher reflexes
FentanylicOxide: more mental capacity
FentanylicOxide: means
FentanylicOxide: more is needed to get us to do things
FentanylicOxide: if MORE is needed, then...well, you HAVE emotions
FentanylicOxide: i rest my case.
FentanylicOxide: 'nother beer, brb
Afext: you're fucked, your thinking is so full of holes.
Afext: humans cannot exist, move forward, evolve, without emotions.. emotions exist because of randomness which cannot be replicated by machine no matter what because randomness is infinity and infinity is impossible.
FentanylicOxide: but it's not infinity
FentanylicOxide: we feel we NEED women because we NEED to procreate, simple as that
Afext: why do we procreate?
FentanylicOxide: bah, we're just two opposing points of view, yours is as much right as mine is
FentanylicOxide: procreation is a product of evolution
Afext: haha you gave up, i'm right.
FentanylicOxide: no
Afext: and evolution is only bionic! you cannot evolve a machine!
Afext: machines do not evolve!
FentanylicOxide: procreation is a product of evolution, we didn't just wake up and like women
FentanylicOxide: yeah, they could be programmed to make a better machine based on problems experienced in their lifetime
Afext: you cannot create a program that can evolve and adapt to it's surroundings and needs, it just isn't possible without the help of something organic
FentanylicOxide: organic is just machinery...it's all a cycle, a metabolism
FentanylicOxide: emotions are the product of evolution, therefore emotions are NOT a chaotic system
Afext: no it's not, nothing machine can exist without something organic, we cannot be replaced we always need to be there to run the no n-organic objects
FentanylicOxide: so? what if we're just machines placed here by other machines
FentanylicOxide: where's the "organism" in that?
Afext: but we're NOT just machines placed here by other machines, you said it yourself, we evolved
FentanylicOxide: what if that's just the plot of some alien machine?
FentanylicOxide: nothing can truly be alive
Afext: Eh.
FentanylicOxide: because everything can be defined by numbers...if you turn every aspect of a human's life into numbers and then GRAPH those numbers, PATTERNS WILL EMERGE.
FentanylicOxide: therefore, humanity can be replicated and life does not truly exist
Afext: a life, the actions throughout the life, does not make you human
Afext: even if you graphed every thought that doesn't make it
Afext: the subconsious exists and below that exists
FentanylicOxide: so? graph that too
FentanylicOxide: graph everything, patterns will emerge
Afext: blah
FentanylicOxide: blah to YOU, i can't convince you to see the world like i do
Afext: You cannot graph the spirit, the soul, of someone, something we dont even know if it exists or not.
FentanylicOxide: in my opinion it doesn't, which is why i think you CAN predict a person's actions
Afext: Hmm, I think it does... so I guess thats the dividing point of us.
Afext: What happens when you die, do you think?

FentanylicOxide: you cease to exist. your body crumbles and returns from that which it came.
Afext: what happens to your thoughts and memorys and everythinG?
Afext: where do YOU as a person, go?
FentanylicOxide: they die.
FentanylicOxide: you go nowhere, you're dead
Afext: do you really honestly believe that when you die it's just blackness?
Afext: not even blackness, nothing
FentanylicOxide: your memories are just chemical reactions taking place in your hippocampus
FentanylicOxide: nothing, yes
Afext: you turn the lights out and you cease to exist?
FentanylicOxide: UNOBSERVABLE
FentanylicOxide: they're not turned out, because you can never see them turn off
Afext: How can you believe that and still live?
FentanylicOxide: you see nothing
FentanylicOxide: believe what?
FentanylicOxide: what do you mean?
Afext: Believe that when you die everything, you, just disappears.
FentanylicOxide: what do you mean by the still live part, though
FentanylicOxide: ?
Afext: I mean... live right now
FentanylicOxide: well, yeah
Afext: Theres no point then, why are you living?
FentanylicOxide: you mean, why don't i just kill myself?
FentanylicOxide: exactly
FentanylicOxide: why don't i?
FentanylicOxide: because i'm HERE, NOW
FentanylicOxide: and i like it
FentanylicOxide: and when it ends, it will end
Afext: I mean.. I would not be able to live if I thought that when I die everything I learn, my memorys, my emotions, disappear completely and do not go on, are not stored somewhere.
FentanylicOxide: i can end it now or i can wait for my body to do it for me
FentanylicOxide: sure they're stored somewhere
FentanylicOxide: it's called the hippocampus
FentanylicOxide: when that decomposes...well, those'll go too
Afext